Web Licensing Needs to Be More Granular

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Presently, all the blogs I’ve looked at (I readily concede there are blogs that I have not looked at ;) ) which assign a license to their content do it on a page or global level. Read more…

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Getting the Ball Rolling: Formats for Licensing and Attribution

So even a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, right?  I think I heard that somewhere before…

With that in mind here’s some preliminary thinking on a licensing and attribution format. Read more…

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Ubiquity Illustrates Impressive Thinking and the Need for Attribution Microformat

The net was a buzz with with Aza Raskin’s post on Ubiquity: An experiment into connecting the Web with language. Read more…

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The Long Trail

Lucas Gonze just blogged about our endeavours here and brought some very interesting points to light. Read more…

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The Need for an Attribution Trail

When content is being reused from one source to another, etiquette and ethics would insist that the content creator (the person reusing content) provide clear attribution and links to the original content while obeying the content’s license.

When searching for an example of proper attribution, I had to go no further than Miss 604’s blog, aka Rebecca Bollwitt. She often reuses other people’s photos in her popular blog, all of which are meticulously attributed and linked.

(Note: she has even created a screencast tutorial on how she gets captions under her photos in order to give proper attribution. You should check it out. Many of us want to do the right thing, but we are often too lazy or sloppy when using other people’s content. There’s really no excuse for not doing this.)

However, what happens when I want to reuse content I found on Rebecca’s blog, that is coming from someone else. I want to reuse the picture of Roger Bannister’s statue that Rebecca reused. Now, I could simply repost the picture from Squeaky Marmot and provide proper attribution.


Squeaky Marmot on Flickr

That would satisfy my legal and ethical requirement, but is it good etiquette? I didn’t find the picture on Squeaky Marmot’s Flickr account. I was reading Rebecca’s bog, and I never would have found Squeaky Marmot’s picture otherwise.

I think simply reposting the picture without some sort of additional attribution to Miss604.com loses vital information. Neither Squeaky Marmot nor Rebecca know that I found the picture through reading the Miss 604 blog. Both of those people have a vested interest in knowing how I found the picture. So, I should give attribution to both Miss 604 and Squeaky Marmot as per below.

Vancouver History: The Miracle Mile


Copied Source www.miss604.com Original Source Squeaky Marmot

I’m now kind of concerned with what to call “Attribution”. In the Creative Commons attribution is a legal term, but what I really want to relate is:

  1. From where did I find the content: Miss 604’s blog. (The Copied Source)
  2. From where did the original content come from: Squeaky Marmot (The Original Source or at least the source Miss 604 found)

Do you reuse content? Do others reuse your content? If so, what do you think? How would you like to see the “attribution”?

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      Hi Ben,Yes, I noticed the newer version, and that vocabularies are no longer mentioned in it. I whole-heartedly agree that vocabularies are an advanced topic and the primer might not be the best place to describe them, but I still think they need an entry point that's a little more accessible than what currently exists.What I'd *love* to see is something along the lines of what I mention at the end of this post - a set of "gold standard" tools (validators and parsers) that developers can use to let them know that they're on the right track without needing to grok the entire RDFa specification.I like the primer overall. I think it does a good job of showing the reason for RDFa and then gives just enough information to get a vague idea of the practice. You've no doubt come across this video tutorial which contains about the same level of information:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl0m-5zLz4But it's easy to digest... Oohh, flashing lights! ;)I don't think we should underestimate the issue of accessiblity. I see RDFa as reaching out to the "normal" world from the somewhat-airy heights of RDF. It needs to be a welcoming handshake to bring people on board.Cheers.
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      Thanks for those resources Michael, good links.The vocabulary (or excuse me, ontology ;) that I've put together only adds a few terms so 80/20 theory holds true in our case. These added terms all revolve around describing different kinds of attribution; source, yes, but what nature of source? A copy? Derived work? Inspiration?A shame to have just missed VoCampOxford. That would have been a wonderful trip.Cheers,Rob
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